puppetmaker: (Fairy Grandmother)
puppetmaker ([personal profile] puppetmaker) wrote2007-10-04 08:32 am

Yeah, but what have you done lately?

Being a professional writer is a little bit like being a shark. You have to keep moving. Even thought you might have quite a wide fan base and written some really cool stuff, here in the publishing industry it is, "Well that's neat. But what have you done lately?" Peter is an expert on keeping things moving. Not everything iron he has in the fire is shaped into a fine piece of writing. Some of the possibilities or potential gigs just vanish without explanation. Other gigs are DOA. Then there are a couple that we really hope turn into something because it would be good for his career and good for his family. He works in an industry where a phone call or an email can change your life either way.

Visual artists have the same condition. They have to continue to create to keep on top of the pile of artists that are breathing down their necks just waiting for the job that they have illustrating a comic or painting book covers or even Magic the Gathering Cards. You have to keep re-inventing yourself or at least challenging yourself. It can be rather nerve racking.

Recently I came to the conclusion that I don't do realistic very well. My dolls are taking on their own "look". I'll never do pretty little fairies. My stuff has been called primitive (in a good way) and raw (again as a compliment). That seems to be my style and, while I will continue to work towards being able to make pretty little fairies, I plan to explore this sort of art that seems to come out of my head and onto the clay. I just need to find my niche and find my audience that I can sell my dolls to. And a lot of that is self-promotion, which I really stink at. I can promote other people but I have a hard time pushing myself on the market or in the market.

Writing is something I have enjoyed doing over the years. I have admitted before that I use to write a lot of fanfic. Some of it I showed to fellow fans and other pieces have languished on the hard drives of my former computers. Now I am working on some original stuff. Peter and I discuss a lot of ideas for stories. Some of them he has used in his work and some of it are things that I am suppose to get around to writing. Well I think I am going to start getting around to them. Or at least trying to outline them (which I hate doing with the fiery passion of a thousand suns). I know I can write and I know I can write well. So may be it is time for me to jump into the shark tank and start swimming.

I am grateful for quiet moments early in the morning when I have some time to think.
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[identity profile] puppetmaker40.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
And that is just life in the entertainment industry.

Did I ever tell you the story about Neil Gaiman and me having one of those random conversations we both love so much when we have the time to talk?

We were talking about the rumors of Sandman the Movie and option money vs. "the movie is being made" money.

He said," I don't believe it until I see the check."

I said, "I don't believe it until the check clears."

He laughed so hard he almost fell off his chair and agreed that I was right.
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[identity profile] puppetmaker40.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
We really really liked Stardust. I went having read all versions. Peter had read the comic eons ago. Ariel had never heard of it.

We all enjoyed it. It is visually stunning and there will be an image of Robert De Niro that will stick with you for all time. Not much violence/death wise but there are some implied horror.

[identity profile] jeff-morris.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Shelby had heard about the movie and mentioned she was interested. I smiled, did some digging, and pulled out the original four books. "Here!"

[identity profile] amarafox.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I have the same problem with my art. Try as I might I can't pull off a serious superhero to save myself. There is something about my art that is just cute.

I'm running with it for a while.

It is VERY had to find a market, though. I think what I need to do is find a writer to work with and do some kind of serious story that completely contrasts the cute art. Not on the trite, face value level as things like happy tree friends. Something a little more sinister. Like a hitchcock suspense thriller where the characters are guinea pigs.

[identity profile] puppetmaker40.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmm my mind just went to a very strange place.

We may have to work on this idea.....If you want to of course

[identity profile] amarafox.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 02:50 pm (UTC)(link)
How about sometime in the new year or closer to the end of december? I think it could be fun. I also need to chase up my harold writer to see if she wants to edit her story, (it's cute, but just cute)

I've had people tell me how delighted and disturbed they are when i draw something cute with a subject matter that is not.

[identity profile] puppetmaker40.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Next year works for me. I have a few editorial things on my plate right now along with some swap dolls that need to get done.

[identity profile] budgie-uk.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Something a little more sinister. Like a hitchcock suspense thriller where the characters are guinea pigs.

Some years ago, some friends and I were drinking and we had a competition for "caption most in need of a Gary Larson cartoon".

The winner was "hamster to hamster combat".

[identity profile] budgie-uk.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Being a professional writer is a little bit like being a shark. You have to keep moving.

I learned that to my cost about three years ago; I was incredibly lucky to get the opportunity to have a story in X-Men Unlimited. Every working pro I knew told me that I had to have something else I was working on, apart from anything else, to answer the question "So, what's next?" when interviewed about it.

Of course, I didn't and blew all the good publicity opportunities...

[identity profile] puppetmaker40.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I have people asking what I am doing after the Doctor Who story comes out and that isn't even a sure thing (waiting on the BBC to approve the story) so I know of what you speak.

You have enough going on that I don't think you have wasted your opportunities and credit is always good to have.

[identity profile] budgie-uk.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
As far as writing goes? No, I blew it to hell at the time, and I've not had anything published since.

Don't get me wrong - I'm incredibly fortunate that I have a decent job as CFO, but haven't had a professional credit in three years, and as you'd have seen I'm considering winding up the fast fictions.

[identity profile] e-cunningham.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Being a professional writer is a little bit like being a shark. You have to keep moving. Even thought you might have quite a wide fan base and written some really cool stuff, here in the publishing industry it is, "Well that's neat. But what have you done lately?"

Too true. :)

[identity profile] puppetmaker40.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 03:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I have been reading too many authors assuming that all their problems will be solved when their novel gets published. Not realizing that getting published for the first time is the beginning of the roller coaster.

[identity profile] e-cunningham.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Absolutely. I'm currently making a shift from writing shared-world fantasy almost exclusively to writing two or three different kinds of stories. One of the problems with this path is that you have to keep the books coming on a regular basis or you'll drop out of sight. If you write more than one type of book, you have to keep up the frequency in ALL of those types. For most writers, a book a year is a minimum requirement.

[identity profile] lupagreenwolf.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a little more leeway in my genre (pagan/occult nonfiction). Since the books I write tend to be ones that people go back to numerous times for practical purposes (rather than the joys of relaxing with a good story), and since there are ideas for exercises and other things that can take a while to really work with, the books have more of a shelf life, as it were. I think that's a major difference between fiction and nonfiction, and one of the reasons I prefer the latter.

Of course, there's no resting on laurels. I may not *have* to write a book a year to stay...well...as popular as I am (or am not) at this point, but I do a lot of workshops and book signings and other promotional events to make up for it. So there is the matter of keeping my name fresh in people's minds, just in different manners.

[identity profile] e-cunningham.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
One of my writing buddies has been encouraging me to write nonfiction, for many of the reasons you cited.

Love the user name, btw. :)

[identity profile] lupagreenwolf.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
What genre nonfic, if I may be nosy?

Thank you :) when I joined up a few years ago, lupa was already taken, so I just added my then-favorite addition to it.

[identity profile] e-cunningham.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
History. We were discussing an idea for a historical novel, and she felt the topic and the protagonist would be better suited to nonfiction.

After reading your comment, I stopped by Green Wolf. Nice sight. I'd love to talk to you about an upcoming project, but I don't want to shanghai PM's blog. :)

[identity profile] lupagreenwolf.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Feel free to shoot me an email - whishthound (at) gmail.com :)

[identity profile] puppetmaker40.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh go ahead. I'm glad that the two of you "ran into" each other here.

[identity profile] thenodrin.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
When my first role playing game was published, the first question I was asked by the players was, "What's next?"

I made something up on the spot and said, "Mind Flayers in the West Virginia coal mines." To which everyone laughed and said that Claire (my editor) would never allow it.

Two years later, their characters met Mind Flayers in the WV coal mines.

In Stephen King's memoirs he said that his story ideas come from the thought of "wouldn't it be funny if ..." I asked myself, "I wonder if I could talk Claire into ..."

Now, I'm the main writer and editor for the Fellowship of the White Star RPG campaign. And, I "know" that I'll be here for 10 years (barring emergencies like the company going bankrupt or such). So, I have the temptation to ease back and stop worrying about what I'm going to work on next.

But, you are right. Worrying about what is next is the only way to keep my writing fresh and thoughful.

Are you thinking of partipating in NaNoWriMo next month? I haven't decided yet, but your post is making me think that it could be a good exercise for me. A good "next" for what I'm doing right now.

Theno

[identity profile] puppetmaker40.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm debating.

I have to do NaNoWriMo if I don't do artby the inch

[identity profile] puppetmaker40.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Rephrase, I am thinking about doing one if I don;t do the other

[identity profile] jeff-morris.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Peter is the reason I gave up any thoughts of eventually going pro. After reading about all his travails over the years,I realized that sadly, I like the comfort of steady work and benefits.

[identity profile] puppetmaker40.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Well it can be nerve racking. Steady work can be a myth and benefits are a bonus. Right now we LOVE Marvel comics *grin*

[identity profile] paigemom.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I got a great deal of benefit as a writer from nanowrimo.

Sadly, I don't have TIME to do it this year.

If you ever want a beta reader that you're not married to, I'd be honored if you'd consider me.

[identity profile] puppetmaker40.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh I am sooo taking you up on this.

[identity profile] papillon-enrage.livejournal.com 2007-10-05 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
"Being a professional writer is a little bit like being a shark. You have to keep moving. Even thought you might have quite a wide fan base and written some really cool stuff, here in the publishing industry it is, "Well that's neat. But what have you done lately?" '

Yeah. Mea culpa. I apologize on behalf of Buyers. We are the ones who tell publishers that they can't expect similar sales on a author who's previous book is several years old. But in our defense, the market and reading tastes have changed so radically between 2004 and 2007, that comparison really is unfair. I was mightily disappointed at how poorly the newest book by Phyllis Reynolds Naylor performed, for example. I wanted it to sell like Shiloh. But it didn't, and I hate making returns more than I hate disappointing a publisher on initial buy-in. We learn from our mistakes.

And we are secretly happy that sales patterns are not completely cut-and-dry. :-)